Eminem and Rick Rubin with Malcolm Gladwell for Broken Record to talk about their new song “Walk On Water,” featuring Beyonce and much more. You can read and listen to the interview below:

“When you are starting your career you have blank canvas. So you can paint anywhere that you want because the s**t ain’t painted on yet and then your second album comes out and you paint little more and you paint little more. By the time you get to you seventh or eighth album you’ve already painted all over. There is nowhere else to paint. It’s like where’d you go and people are always expecting something different from you. ‘I want him to talk about this. I want him to talk about that. I want him to just spit. He does too much rapidy-rapidy. I don’t like how he puts the syllables that it don’t mean anything.’ There’s less places to go that you have not already been.” – Eminem

“I didn’t even play this song for Eminem like ‘listen to this this is great.’ It was more like I happened to be listening to it and he came in the room and he said ‘yo what’s that’ ? and I said ‘oh, it’s a hook Skylar wrote. He just sat there. He was just listening to it and he was like ‘hm.’ – Rick Rubin

“For Eminem mumble rap is a little bit of cultural shock because there is new wave of hip-hop that’s not really what he’s about. I could see he was frustrated by it. He’s fanatical to a point that, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that in anyone, just his attention to details. He has a perfect memory of everything about the music and he gets inside of it and writes to whatever’s good or bad about it. He wants the rhythm of the words to bounce off of the beat in a very particular way.” – Rick Rubin

“I’ve been a student of hip-hop and I always study rap and one of the things I’ve learned from 2Pac was.. I don’t know how he always knew the right words to say on the right chords. I studied that and I was like ‘oh my God he’s genius’. He never said wrong thing to wrong chord. Listen to “Dear Mama,” every single thought, every single word, every bar was so in place where it should be.” – Eminem

“It’s a very mortal song. I mean, its mortality, you know not being a superman and what if I can’t come up with the best s**t I’ve ever wrote every single time.” – Eminem

“Rick went to see Jay Z. Beyonce was out of town. He liked it and she liked it.” – Malcolm Gladwell

Watch the full interview below: